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yeah i saw thinking about that a bit, i've decided to keep bulking for another few months and then cut for the summer and see if i'm happy with the results, my main issue is shitty upper body genetics, i have crazy leg genetics, i've always had massive muscular legs compared to my upper body...

that's cute, i provided scientific research and the only argument you've provided is "you're a lost cause", i would say it's quite the opposite, someone denying hard data and scientific evidence is a lost cause...

sorry mate, you can't change facts and scientific research

just because you specifically were underdeveloped at the age of 20 doesn't mean everyone is. it's ok at 25 but not 20? that's just a retarded way of looking at things - everyone develops at different rates. as for me by the age of 13 i had full facial and body hair and stopped growing height...

no, you are ignorance, you're the definition of it. very well made counter argument :poop:

listen, at the end of the day someone can take steroids and train like a retard and still gain fuck ton of muscle mass, no one will change my mind as i've seen it at the gym i workout at, dudes who have absolutely terrible form, have no idea how to workout, they get in, fuck around for 30 mins...

There have been documented tests that show steroid use without weight training will still increase your muscle mass just as someone who workouts and doesn't use steroids. (we talking only T, let alone all the other stuff available nowadays.)...

i love how you provided no valid argument other than "i'm older so i must know better" not even gonna waste my time since you didn't provide any argument

how is that related to anything? sure, as you get past 25 your T starts to decline so you feel justified about taking steroids. but other than that, what's the difference 20,25,30,50? at all age groups there is side effects, and the effects are very similar all across the age group,at the end...

there is not enough evidence that peptides work.... i just don't wanna waste my money with expensive supplements for a placebo effect, that's why the only supplements i've been taking is whey protein and creatine, all the other stuff has no solid research to backup their claims.. about...

so i've decided do start taking steroids, i'm 20, been working out 3 years ago, i'm 102kg 185cm. my testosterone is very average at 687 ng/dl i would like to get my testosterone around 1200.... from what i read testosterone is one of the "safest" steroids. i don't wanna take too much to avoid...