often times tbol is referred to as baby brother or kid sister.. unfairly, i might add... tbol is a similar version of dbol without the heavy amounts of estrogen conversion and water retention... you wont get as strong as with dbol either but there is a lot to like with tbol in terms of strength, cleaner gains, drier and less side effects but dbol is much stronger, more profound with gains but higher sides and definitely much more difficult to keep gains from...