Old Man Cycle #2

[Maverick602]

A big thanks to everyone who offered input on my second cycle. After careful consideration I made my decision:

12 weeks

20mgs cardarine gw/day
25mgs ostarine mk/day weeks 1&2 then bump to 50mgs/day
25mgs testolone rad/day
100mg/test cyp/week
7caps n2guard/day organ liver support

Why this set up?

Cardarine for it's endurance and most importantly its positive effects on cholesterol

Ostarine for it's healing properties. I do believe my "Healing Stack" helped my nagging injuries and while there has been some improvement, I still suffer from achilles tendonitis and I want to see if a higher dose of ostarine may help. Last cycle I only ran 25mg, but this time I am going to bump to 50mg/week after week 2

Testolone because well...I heard great things and I want to gain 10lbs of muscle during this 12 weeks while cutting some fat. This could be a tall order, but I think I can hack it.

TRT dose of test cyp for two reasons....first, because Testolone may result in a very low E2 numbers and the aromatization of the cyp should help with that in theory. Second, I just want to start cycling test again and starting small is a great way to reintroduce it.

Not starting a new log until my final post on this log

Thanks again bros! Really excited about this one.

 

[dylangemelli]

hey bro, you do what you feel is best! the one thing though where you are off is that rad is going to cause low e2... RAD140 does not aromatize into Estrogen, but it still has a large impact on the ratio of Testosterone:Estrogen in the body.

RAD140 binds to androgen receptors harder than endogenous androgens, and can encourage increased amounts of endogenous aromatization of Testosterone to Estrogen by occupying vacant receptor sites.

In addition, dose-dependent suppression of endogenous Testosterone levels can lead to a Testosterone:Estrogen imbalance.

The systemic elevation of Estrogen levels in the body is often misinterpreted as the result of prohormone laced SARMs as well... its common to be the two confused...

so please do not use testosterone with the belief you are protecting yourself from tanking estrogen... that is certainly not the case whatsoever...

 

[Maverick602]

Dylan, you never fail to impress I should have been more clear on my reasoning. It is my understanding that RAD140 does not aromatize, but may nearly shut down endogenous testosterone completely. Since aromatase facilitates the conversion of testosterone into the estrogen estradiol naturally, our bodies need testosterone to create estrogen estradiol or do I have that wrong?? I thought that was always the case.

Therefore, if our testosterone production plummets to near zero, our estrogen production can "crash" so to speak. This theory is how I arrived at my assumption. Please tell me if I got this wrong, because I don't want to be walking around with this shit in my head if it's not and I certainly do not want to pass misinformation on to a newbie down the road.

That said, in the end, I really just want to use test LOL

 

[SteveSmi]

RAD is suppressive, but no where close to anabolic steroids

example: 5LH down to 3 with RAD. with AAS 5LH down to 0

 

[dylangemelli]

High dosages and/or long-term use of RAD140 can cause a decrease in systemic Estrogen levels.

This is facilitated through higher levels of endocrine suppression.

Estrogen facilitated physiological functions in the body are mediated through the aromatization of Testosterone into a sufficient amount of Estrogen.

If RAD140 usage suppresses endogenous Testosterone levels too low, it can result in Estrogen levels dropping as a consequence of the lack of aromatization occurring in the body in a suppressed state.

 

[Maverick602]

High dosages and/or long-term use of RAD140 can cause a decrease in systemic Estrogen levels.

This is facilitated through higher levels of endocrine suppression.

Estrogen facilitated physiological functions in the body are mediated through the aromatization of Testosterone into a sufficient amount of Estrogen.

If RAD140 usage suppresses endogenous Testosterone levels too low, it can result in Estrogen levels dropping as a consequence of the lack of aromatization occurring in the body in a suppressed state.

RAD is suppressive, but no where close to anabolic steroids

example: 5LH down to 3 with RAD. with AAS 5LH down to 0

Thanks for your replies. I hear you both and understand. So basically, RAD140 "can" cause systemic estrogen levels to plummet, but only after long-term, high dosage use. So I have to assume this will not happen over a 12 week cycle at 25mgs/day.

Therefore, adding testosterone to this cycle has obvious value because of the benefits to adding any androgen, but adding testosterone to this cycle to balance out estrogen levels is of no benefit.

I get it. That said, I am still adding Test to this cycle, which raises another question...

Since this addition of test is not TRT, but technically a cycle, what do you think about me running test the full 12 weeks and at what dosage? Since I am all about starting slowly I am thinking 125mg/week because the test I am buying is 250mg/ml. It's 15 years since I did any AS...not sure.

Thoughts?

 

[dylangemelli]

for me, if you are going to use it, you may as well go at least 250 with it.. i am perfectly fine with that dose but personally, if you are not on trt, i dont see the point nor reason to run it less than that.. .it just doesnt make sense to shut yourself down to get very little from it

 

[Maverick602]

Great point. Precisely why I am asking. I had to go through a paradigm shift a couple times planning for this next cycle because my 600 test level post cycle shocked me.

I think 250 is a reasonable dose. Good Good, back in my 20's and 30's I ran up to 750 with few sides plus Tren, Win, Deca and orals so I think 250/week is a slow start and responsible.

Thanks bro.

 

[dylangemelli]

Great point. Precisely why I am asking. I had to go through a paradigm shift a couple times planning for this next cycle because my 600 test level post cycle shocked me.

I think 250 is a reasonable dose. Good Good, back in my 20's and 30's I ran up to 750 with few sides plus Tren, Win, Deca and orals so I think 250/week is a slow start and responsible.

Thanks bro.

anytime bro, just want to make sure you have a full understanding of everything and have no unnecessary surprises! good luck man!

 

[Maverick602]

anytime bro, just want to make sure you have a full understanding of everything and have no unnecessary surprises! good luck man!

That's why I love this place. Guru's like you "get" me. At my age and experience level, I hate unnecessary surprises!!!

Thanks again!

 

[dylangemelli]

That's why I love this place. Guru's like you "get" me. At my age and experience level, I hate unnecessary surprises!!!

Thanks again!

LOL i got you bro!

 

[Fella Finn]

High dosages and/or long-term use of RAD140 can cause a decrease in systemic Estrogen levels.

This is facilitated through higher levels of endocrine suppression.

Estrogen facilitated physiological functions in the body are mediated through the aromatization of Testosterone into a sufficient amount of Estrogen.

If RAD140 usage suppresses endogenous Testosterone levels too low, it can result in Estrogen levels dropping as a consequence of the lack of aromatization occurring in the body in a suppressed state.

Amazing information I was really not aware! Thank you for the great breakdown on this!